Skill Set--Learning how to fall and Self Defense in general

Daniel_WallaceDaniel_Wallace Member, Moderator
edited September 2012 in The Flog
Watching the "BattleTech" flog with the fall out of the hammock, I thought it would be a great idea for Felicia to learn how to fall without hurting herself.

One way to learn that is to visit martial arts or self defense classes that teach this skill.

This made me realize, that there actually are two of the coolest guys of the fighting world living and teaching in LA. They could not be more different from each other but each of them would be great for a segment, I think.

One is Bas Rutten, former UFC Heavyweight Champion and three times King of Pancrase. He is working on his film and TV career and I think he is a really funny guy.



He would be great for a segment like this...

The other one is Marc "Animal" MacYoung. I last saw him on the martial arts episode of Penn & Tellers "Bullshit" but have been reading his books and watching is DVDs for years. He would be great, too, but he is probably much more serious on the subject.



So, this is my suggestion. :-)
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  • No way!
    First of all - learning martial arts means having many many bruises and I wouldn't want to either see that or hear about Felicia getting hurt just for a segment.
    Second of all - I as a computer geek myself hate doing sports and I silently hope that Felicia is like me in many was, so I wouldn't want to lose that hope ;)
  • Daniel_WallaceDaniel_Wallace Member, Moderator
    @Plague: I'm sorry, but you could not be more wrong on the first point. It is no more likely to get hurt in MA then in any other sports. Actually, soccer, football, badminton, and cheerleading are all much more dangerous then MA. I've been doing various MA and self defense stuff for about 25 years now and the worst injury I ever had was a black eye - and that was an accident when I bumped into someones shoulder when we both moved in unexpected directions. The worst injury I ever witnessed in all that time was one dislocated shoulder. My girlfriend's badminton team beats that in about two month...
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  • @daniel_wallace: Oh especially cheerleading, sure, but I never said it in comparison to other sports, just in general. Although I have a colleague doing Judo and he's got something blue every three weeks :)
  • That would be a really interesting skill set. I have had workshops in falling and 'floor contact', and it actually isn't easy!

    Though I can't imagine Felicia doing much actual Martial Arts, maybe stage combat? Much less contact is made, xD.
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  • OakspoorOakspoor Member, Moderator
    Falling would be a good first in a series film-stunt skill sets.
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  • TriencoTrienco Member, Moderator
    Hm... would seeing Felicia fall in all kinds of ways make for an entertaining segment? I bet she would yet again find some ridiculous back story for every fall. But would it be another love story? With the floor? Would she manage to throw herself at the floor and miss, mastering the Douglasian art of flying?
  • I think it would be entertaining, there is an art to falling and not looking ridiculous in doing so, I imagine she would look ridiculous, and she could play up to that.

    Falling on it's own isn't a segment in itself though, xD, As part of other movement/combat training, it could be greatly entertaining. We see this stuff in TV and Film all the time, but a behind the scenes look is always nice.
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  • Daniel_WallaceDaniel_Wallace Member, Moderator
    @Plague: Okay, bruises happen if you really get at it full contact. ( Duh! ;-) ) Within a beginners class for self defense this is very, very unlikely, though.

    The real problem I see is, that there is not much to be learned within the time to film a segment. This little knowledge can be more of a danger then anything else. That's why I focused on the "learning how to fall" part. The basics there are manageable in a very short amount of time.
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  • @daniel_wallace: oh falling only! that would be good I think, also very useful.

    I don't think that not having time to actually learn anything is a problem for Flog, let's face it entertainment value will be there anyway ;)
  • I was always under the impression that the segments were quite long, but edited down to the highlights. I am sure basic self defense could be covered in a 1 on 1 lesson in about 40 minutes, and easily edited down to 5 minutes of funny moments.
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  • Daniel_WallaceDaniel_Wallace Member, Moderator
    @Cadaboo: Well, you can give somebody a small insight on what self defense is in 40 minutes. Teach someone who hasn't had any prior training something that is actually useful in that amount of time? Not gonna happen. The small introduction would probably be enough for a segment, though.

    One could do the "learning how to fall" part in length and then add some throws at the end, to show how this can be used in the context of martial arts.
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  • OakspoorOakspoor Member, Moderator
    She could make a fun 3-4 minutes doing this.
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  • torontogaltorontogal Member, Moderator
    edited September 2012 PM
    @Daniel_Wallace - though I don't know too much about the UFC in general, whilst channel surfing I saw a bit of a show Bas Ruten does called 'Punk Payback' where he shows how to disarm and beat up hooligans, etc.  I feel a bit guilty saying it, but it was hilarious watching him show how to pummel thugs - he's indeed a funny guy! :)

    On a sidenote, I'm somewhat curious whether Felicia's stunt training from DragonAge might have given her some training in safe ways to fall?  Maybe not, as it was probably more blade-handling, and fight choreography, etc.  She speaks a bit about it over on her blog - I find it cute that her fight consultant was the stunt-guy from The Guild (Fernando Chien) :)

    Ultimately, I'll stick to a suggestion I made over on YouTube - i.e., from what I understand, Ryon Day spent a decade as a martial arts trainer, so I think their hilarious sibling chemistry would translate well if he were the one to show her a few self-defense moves :)
  • @Daniel_Wallace: Basics could easily be covered in 40 minutes! I did a 1 hour 30 min session on falling and stage combat, and that was in a group of 30. One on one could easily cover that much material in a shorter space of time.

    @Tornotogal: Oooh! From my other thread it is obvious I want to see more Ryon on G&S, if he was a martial arts trainer, that would be perfect!
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  • Daniel_WallaceDaniel_Wallace Member, Moderator
    @Cadaboo: Well, falling if you know that you are going to fall is the easy part. That can be covered in a relatively small amount of time. I referred to self defense in general, when I said that this is not manageable. Sry if I wasn't making that clear. :-)

    @torontogal: Bas Rutten cracks me up every time. The "lighter side of martial art" show I linked up there is one of my favorites, especially since I have seen a lot of these MA shows with all the mysticism and crap they tend to put in it. Bas can give someone a concussion with one punch and his kick exceeds the g-ratings for crash tests with cars - and still he doesn't take himself any serious and likes to make a fool out of himself for others to laugh. Punk Payback is really fun to watch for me, too. I would have loved to be there when this story happened. :-D

    If Ryon has this much experience in MA, he would obviously be a great choice, too. But on a selfish note, I'd love to see two of my favorite YouTube search words (Felicia and Bas) in one video... :-)
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  • Yeah I heard Bas Rutten is one of the best MA trainers, doesnt he train Showtime Pettis, big fan of the UFC.
  • Daniel_WallaceDaniel_Wallace Member, Moderator
    @lucy: I haven't heard that, yet.

    Bas DVDs and books on technique are really good and I heard his workshops and seminars are great, too. He has his own style in a lot of things which one must like, but I tried lots of his stuff in training/sparring and some in real situations and it worked really well for me. He teaches fighting, though, and not self defense. That is a really big difference that one must know. Telling you how to break somebody's leg for talking crap is no self defense and you'll probably take a ride to jail if you do that. :-)
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  • lucylucy Member
    edited September 2012 PM
    Actually its not Bas Rutten I was thinking of, its Duke Roufus, its another cool named person, will have to check out Bas Rutten he's a presenter right?

    Haha I just watched a Bas Rutten youtube video, basically showing you how to kill someone in a bar fight.
  • I'd watch it!
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